Justin Trudeau, 2001

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 09/19/2019 at 09:03 • Filed to: None

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Apparently Trump doesn’t have the market cornered on North-American-political-leader-racism.

FFS... 2001?!

Bye, Justin...

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:12

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I hadn’t seen the photo yet. Now I understand why it was referred to as “brown face.” Is that his wife he’s choking?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 09:17

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No clue. He was really committed to the look: neck, hands... I’m trying not to think of just how far he took it.

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:22

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I wonder if blackface/brownface didn’t have the overtones of racial subjugation that it does, would this otherwise be considered just normal costuming?

Taking it further, as a guy of Mediterranean heritage with olive complexion, can I be offended when my wife uses makeup to darken her face to mimic a tan?

Obviously that’s not the same — I’m just thinking out loud, but it’s a tough issue that can’t be seen objectively anymore. It’s like flying the Confederate flag. It’s been co-opted so thoroughly by people with hatred in their hearts, you just can’t do it because your explanations will sound like lame excuses.

EDIT: 3 years ago, we “orange-faced” my son so he could be Trump for Halloween. Daughter was Hillary. Every 4-8 years, Halloween is awesome.

pip bip - choose Corrour > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:22

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classy

vicali > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:30

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I bet he wishes he went as Genie instead..

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:32

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Didn’t realize Trudeau was an Arizona State grad. Also, the reach around chest grab, wtf?

This guy a complete moron, right?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:34

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Yup, and good luck displaying a swastika and saying it’s referencing your Native American heritage. I was worried for a minute there that racists were going to ruin the “okay” symbol and the circle game...

https://www.cabq.gov/culturalservices/kimo/about-the-theatre/kimo-history/swastikas

Comedians should be given a wider berth, as their job is to test the limits of what’s acceptable, but have to tread lightly and be ready to face the consequences. The current backlash by many prominent comedians against the “gotcha” culture is pretty important, I think (but some take it too far). Kevin Hart losing the Oscars job was a crime; I’m glad he took a stand.

A classic:

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > vicali 09/19/2019 at 09:35

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti 09/19/2019 at 09:36

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Pretty much.

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:37

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Eddie Murphy did it better than anyone . The White Chicks movie was a sham in comparison.

But that whiteface stuff is comically acceptable ONLY because blackface existed for so long, and with horrible intent. I totally give it a pass.

If you haven’t seen Dave Chappelle’s latest Netflix special, give it a watch. Just buckle up, it’s all over the place on offensiveness.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:38

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Orange-face is hilarious.

How many people refused to give candy to either of them? LOL

facw > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:38

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It seems like it shouldn’t be inherently problematic, but given the historical context, there’s no way it is ok in practice, at least in the US. Other countries may not have the same historical baggage, so it might be weird to force our circumstances on to them, but I suspect nearly everywhere has a history of negative, mocking portrayals (or worse) of “ the other” , so I doubt it’s a good idea anywhere.

Ash78, voting early and often > facw 09/19/2019 at 09:43

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I mean, I suppose there’s a context where some version of it is ok. If people are dressing up for a world culturally-theme party then maybe a little bronzer would be ok just to make the costume more believable. But never the shoe-polish black.

I posted this a while back, it’s a 90s episode of Mr. Show where Bob Odenkirk (Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul) portrays an Indian guy who is ironically a member of a white supremacist group, along with several other unlikely members. This whole sketch is comic genius, but would probably get the axe today on the superficial aspects:

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/hate-by-committee-mr-show-1837211043

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:45

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Probably done by a professional makeup artist. 

Tapas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:47

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I would look at a person’s actions on matters involving race, creed, religion, sexuality, etc when things like these come up.

If their actions do not oppress or discriminate based on those things, I would chalk that up to a huge faux pas today, but something that people laughed at years ago.

I mean so many jokes on Friends and all jokes on Married ...with children
are pretty offensive today. But it was broadcast across America for years on TVin the 90s and 2000s .

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:48

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Yes, he did. Didn’t see “White Chicks”...

Exactly, making fun of racism is a totally different thing, but you still have to be mindful about how you go about it.

I did watch Chappelle’s latest special - he clearly does not give even one fuck. His line at the end of the bit about why he couldn’t use the word “f—” on his show was pretty great. Plenty of the stuff was way over the line, but plenty of it made you think , and that’s a comedian’s job. And he’s rich enough, and couldn’t care less about his celebrity social status, so he’s got zero filter at this point on what he’s willing to say (and we need people like that in society).

Chapelle’s Show was brilliant, as if that needed to be said.

facw > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:50

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A few years ago I was surprised to learn that the Indian guy in Short Circuit was white. I don’t recall that being a mocking or negative portrayal at all, but it seems fundamentally very weird not to just hire an Indian actor.

DipodomysDeserti > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:50

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Your wife painting a tan on her face would be offensive for a different reason than you wearing blackface or flying a Confederate flag.

Your wife walking around a San Gennaro festival  dressed and acting like Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny, while hot, would be offensive for the same reason.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 09:53

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Rich kid.

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:54

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Indian, Persian and Native American cultures still incorporate the symbol in artwork and clothing.

The difference is their use had nothing to do with the third reich, whereas the Confederate flag has everything to do with the Confederacy (it wasn’t coopted, some Southerners have a hard time understanding this, and blackface apparently ).

Ash78, voting early and often > facw 09/19/2019 at 09:55

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Same here! I think a lot of 80s casting was just on the lazy or nepotistic side. “Hey, we got Gutt enberg and Sheedy? Just grab whoever you can for the rest!”

450X_FTW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:55

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Well he failed hard.

I’ve done more than enough dumb stuff in my youth that I never what the light of day to see, which is why I will never run for office , but somehow I was always smart enough to not paint my face and represent another race, for any reason.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Tapas 09/19/2019 at 09:56

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Yes, I agree. One stupid mistake should not ruin a person’s life.

But one stupid mistake is more than enough to ruin a person’s political career.

Yes, plenty of cringey stuff was still being broadcast in the not too distant past. On the flip side, perhaps the general public is too easily offended today, too ready to be an accomplice in career homicide for the slightest mistake ...

450X_FTW > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 09:56

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Any Halloween pics you care to share? Because that sounds hilarious

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 09:57

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Wow, that’s pretty bad Justin T. Is he going to get ousted for this? It seems like blackface has been pretty offensive for a while now. Kinda like WHPO calling black people the N word, or using the N word candidly, you just don’t do it. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 450X_FTW 09/19/2019 at 09:58

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Yes, I’m thankful smartphones weren’t a thing when I was in college...

450X_FTW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 10:04

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Can confirm. Or worse Facebook Live. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 09/19/2019 at 10:05

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I’d assume he won’t get re-elected (coming up soon).

Yup. Even uttering the word (and ones like it) when having an educated discussion about the word and its cultural implications isn’t a good idea, if you’re someone outside of the target audience for the slur .

But I can talk about stupid “crackers” all I want, of course...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 450X_FTW 09/19/2019 at 10:06

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Oh, geez...

Tapas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 10:07

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That is true.

People on social media are out for blood. The feeling of tearing someone down, being the righteous and punishing any injustice or misstep is rewarding. Especially when you can do it with no personal risk or face to face interaction.

Textured Soy Protein > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 09/19/2019 at 10:23

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Technically this was Indian-face but either way, no good.

You’d have thought that blackface has been understood as no good for a long time, and yet...

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The Kimmel & Fallon things, at the time they aired, I remember they were attempts at “ realistically” maki ng a white performer appear like a specific black person i.e. Karl Malone. But that doesn’t really make them any better than the traditional blackface type faces. 

ranwhenparked > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 09/19/2019 at 10:27

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I think he'll be fine, as long as he does a mea culpa. Ralph Northam survived his blackface incident.

The Ghost of Oppo > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 10:29

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ranwhenparked > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 10:31

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Whiteface is fine, because whites were not historically oppressed by blacks and there’s no extensive negative history associated with it (as in minstrelry). It isn’t likely to harm or offend white people, and, if it does cause offense, it will only b e to a very small number of humorless jerks who’s opinions don’t matter anyway.

boredalways > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 10:35

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I’m really hoping someone has photos of the Orange Mussolini’s and/or his family in inappropriate costumes/makeup.*

*excluding his clown business suits

wafflesnfalafel > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 10:39

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H e was actually trying out for blue man group, you can’t tell because it’s not a color photo.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Ash78, voting early and often 09/19/2019 at 10:49

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That special was excellent.  Plenty offensive, but screw it, if you can’t laugh at yourself, then don’t watch.  

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 10:50

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Well said.  

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 11:09

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New video of JT wearing black face has emerged.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49758613

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 11:11

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But one stupid mistake is more than enough to ruin a person’s political career.

Or at least it should be. Not in America, though.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 09/19/2019 at 11:11

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Thanks.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ranwhenparked 09/19/2019 at 11:12

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Ralph Northam only survived his blackface incident because:

The Leiutenant Governer had also done it, the Attorney General has an ongoing sexual assault investigation against him, the next guy in line after those 3 is a R epublican. The people screaming loudest for Northam’s head to roll backed off real quick once they looked at the most likely possible outcomes of his ouster. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > boredalways 09/19/2019 at 11:13

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Do we really need any more dirt on The Donald?

You’d think there’d be more than enough by now...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > wafflesnfalafel 09/19/2019 at 11:13

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LOL

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 11:14

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Oh shit...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 11:17

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Not if you’re wearing orange-face.

boredalways > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 11:39

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Of course not, but nothing wrong with a little extra

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > boredalways 09/19/2019 at 11:43

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ranwhenparked > Textured Soy Protein 09/19/2019 at 12:10

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There was also Darrell Hammond, who did a very light blackface for his J esse Jackson impersonation. He did an excellent impersonation, but I remember feeling a bit uncomfortable even when it first aired - thinking should he really be doing that?

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 12:48

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Y ep, maybe we can find him dressed up for Chinese new year next! 

dieseldub > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 14:26

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Pretty surprising considering how accepting he seemingly is of different cultures. One could question whether or not he was even aware that what he was doing at the time could have been construed as being offensive nearly 20 years later.

As someone who generally leans left a bit myself, there’s definitely a trend more and more towards “I’m offended” culture. And there definitely is some irony in watching someone who more often than not aligns with that culture being caught on the wrong side of it.

But, Trump has already survived a lot worse... somewhat inexplicably to me, but he has. Just another round in the culture wars.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > dieseldub 09/19/2019 at 14:43

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Or is he just another politician who says what he needs to get elected/re-elected? H e definitely should’ve known better in 2001.

I’m sure there are plenty of Trudeau loyalists who are absolutely in shock today.

dieseldub > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 15:05

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Did you know better when you were in college? A lot of men do and say a lot of stupid shit in their younger, hormone-overproduction-days, then eventually realize what a dumbass they were and change as reality of the real world takes hold.

Not that I have a reason to specifically defend Trudeau, but how many dumb mistakes did you make when you were young? That’s more my point.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > dieseldub 09/19/2019 at 15:09

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He was 29 in 2001, fwiw.

Not saying I haven’t made mistakes.

duurtlang > Textured Soy Protein 09/19/2019 at 16:14

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Not being American I don’t see the issue with the Jimmy Kimmel ones. Neither are mocking an ethnic background, the face paint is not really different from a realistic wig, realistic make up or costume. The picture on the left though, that one is much more questionable.

I do realize there is a historical context in the US though. That makes it more... Complicated.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 17:05

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“ I’ve always — and you know this — been more enthusiastic about costumes than is sometimes appropriate , but these are the situations that I regret deeply”

LOL

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 17:11

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“Boys will be boys.”

—Donald Trump

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 17:23

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...and assholes gonna asshole.

marshknute > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/19/2019 at 22:13

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Somewhat related, but earlier this year, an Asian makeup artist got into trouble for doing blackface. Her claim to fame is turning herself into famous figures, including Albert Einstein, the Mona Lisa, Taylor Swift, Robert Downey Jr, Tom Holland, etc.

Anyway, she’s Korean, so she wasn’t aware of the cultural taboo of blackface in the English-speaking world. For one of her videos she c hose to turn herself into a black supermodel. T o my knowledge, she wasn’t mimicking a specific person, just a general black supermodel to show off her makeup witchcraft . And I’m honestly conflicted about whether of not to be mad at her because the end result looks like a Vogue cover model.

marshknute > ttyymmnn 09/19/2019 at 22:24

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The best was the reporter in the background asking if this was the only time he had done something like that, and Trudeau flashing a mischievous smile before answering, “lol, no, back in high school...!”

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > marshknute 09/20/2019 at 14:04

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Yeah, this is a special case. She’s an artist using her face as a canvas.